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Malfunction the J connector on VOXL 2 investigation

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  • tomT tom

    @will-huang-oksi Can you be more clear on which connector you're referring to? https://docs.modalai.com/voxl2-connectors/

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    will.huang.oksi
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    @tom

    we use this board
    https://www.modalai.com/products/m0151?variant=47083939791152
    with the Doodle lab nano radio
    https://doodlelabs.com/product/nano-mesh-rider-radio/

    Thank you for the quick response and please let me know if any further quesitons.

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    • W will.huang.oksi

      @tom

      we use this board
      https://www.modalai.com/products/m0151?variant=47083939791152
      with the Doodle lab nano radio
      https://doodlelabs.com/product/nano-mesh-rider-radio/

      Thank you for the quick response and please let me know if any further quesitons.

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      @will-huang-oksi Take a look here at MCBL-0085: https://docs.modalai.com/cable-datasheets/#mcbl-00085
      The add-on board you're using it not capable of providing enough power for the doodle modem and this may be the cause of your issues.

      7cdcf70c-3aca-4490-a141-703b314b1904-image.png

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      • tomT tom

        @will-huang-oksi Take a look here at MCBL-0085: https://docs.modalai.com/cable-datasheets/#mcbl-00085
        The add-on board you're using it not capable of providing enough power for the doodle modem and this may be the cause of your issues.

        7cdcf70c-3aca-4490-a141-703b314b1904-image.png

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        @tom 3a996e79-e11a-407c-aced-3e9cea2a3807-image.png

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        • tomT tom

          @tom 3a996e79-e11a-407c-aced-3e9cea2a3807-image.png

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          will.huang.oksi
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          @tom
          Thank you for the quick response.
          However,
          it doesn't explain why the same board with the same doodle lab nano radio works with the VOXL 2 previously ( just suddenly doesn't work anymore ) and work with other VOXL 2.

          And
          we are using
          https://techlibrary.doodlelabs.com/doodle-labs-nano-oem-mesh-rider-radio-24002482-mhz

          It doesn't require that much power
          8b15be7c-1e6c-4c43-ab08-6131d478a5ac-image.png

          please let me know if any misunderstanding, any suggestion, or any command/method we can use to verify the J port
          Thank you.

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          • W will.huang.oksi

            @tom
            Thank you for the quick response.
            However,
            it doesn't explain why the same board with the same doodle lab nano radio works with the VOXL 2 previously ( just suddenly doesn't work anymore ) and work with other VOXL 2.

            And
            we are using
            https://techlibrary.doodlelabs.com/doodle-labs-nano-oem-mesh-rider-radio-24002482-mhz

            It doesn't require that much power
            8b15be7c-1e6c-4c43-ab08-6131d478a5ac-image.png

            please let me know if any misunderstanding, any suggestion, or any command/method we can use to verify the J port
            Thank you.

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            Vinny
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            Hi @will-huang-oksi
            That board was not designed for 8W support.
            Please use the suggested products for Doodle Labs products. As you see, it creates uncertainty and questions we cannot easily answer without a full investigation and analysis in our labs.
            Thanks!
            Vinny

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            • VinnyV Vinny

              Hi @will-huang-oksi
              That board was not designed for 8W support.
              Please use the suggested products for Doodle Labs products. As you see, it creates uncertainty and questions we cannot easily answer without a full investigation and analysis in our labs.
              Thanks!
              Vinny

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              will.huang.oksi
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              Hello @Vinny
              thank you for the response.

              I understand and appreciate your point about the incorrect power configuration,
              and we will definitely work on addressing that.

              However,
              the same board with the same Doodle Nano works properly on other VOXL2 units.
              This suggests that even with the incorrect power, the Doodle Nano remains functional and can still communicate with other Doodle Nano devices.

              For this reason, we’d like to investigate whether the J port itself is still functioning.
              Could you suggest any methods we can use in our lab to verify if the J port on this particular VOXL2 is operational?
              Or besides the power configuration part, any other spec you would recommend we investigate?

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              • W will.huang.oksi

                Hello @Vinny
                thank you for the response.

                I understand and appreciate your point about the incorrect power configuration,
                and we will definitely work on addressing that.

                However,
                the same board with the same Doodle Nano works properly on other VOXL2 units.
                This suggests that even with the incorrect power, the Doodle Nano remains functional and can still communicate with other Doodle Nano devices.

                For this reason, we’d like to investigate whether the J port itself is still functioning.
                Could you suggest any methods we can use in our lab to verify if the J port on this particular VOXL2 is operational?
                Or besides the power configuration part, any other spec you would recommend we investigate?

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                Vinny
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                Hi @will-huang-oksi

                Sorry there is not much else I can offer. I'd need to have the HW in my hands to diagnose.

                I'd start with the basics, Power. It is possible you blew the VBUS protection circuit that feeds J3 VBUS. It is also possible that GPIO_157 which enables VBUS on J3 is not correctly set in SW.
                However, I still ask you discontinue use of M0151 for Doodle as you will have problems in the future and we cannot continue to support that.

                Please follow the guidance listed in our cable page for Doodle. Those boards listed do not use the "VBUS" from J3 (rather we power switch the 5V DC Local with proper Hub monitoring), so you can likely recover proper functionality and continue with your efforts.
                Thanks!

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                • VinnyV Vinny

                  Hi @will-huang-oksi

                  Sorry there is not much else I can offer. I'd need to have the HW in my hands to diagnose.

                  I'd start with the basics, Power. It is possible you blew the VBUS protection circuit that feeds J3 VBUS. It is also possible that GPIO_157 which enables VBUS on J3 is not correctly set in SW.
                  However, I still ask you discontinue use of M0151 for Doodle as you will have problems in the future and we cannot continue to support that.

                  Please follow the guidance listed in our cable page for Doodle. Those boards listed do not use the "VBUS" from J3 (rather we power switch the 5V DC Local with proper Hub monitoring), so you can likely recover proper functionality and continue with your efforts.
                  Thanks!

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                  will.huang.oksi
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                  Hello @Vinny
                  thank you for the clear guidance and I will keep you posted after our experiment.

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                  • W will.huang.oksi

                    Hello @Vinny
                    thank you for the clear guidance and I will keep you posted after our experiment.

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                    will.huang.oksi
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                    Hello @Vinny

                    After checking with my coworkers, we confirmed that the Doodle Nano radio receives 5 V power through its connection to the ModalAI ESC, not as I previously described. Sorry for the earlier confusion.

                    Does this clarification help you suggest the next step we can take for verification?

                    We also refreshed the SDK on the VOXL2, but the issue persists, so we can likely rule out software as a potential root cause.

                    Looking forward to hearing from you. Please let me know if any further questions.

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                    • W will.huang.oksi

                      Hello @Vinny

                      After checking with my coworkers, we confirmed that the Doodle Nano radio receives 5 V power through its connection to the ModalAI ESC, not as I previously described. Sorry for the earlier confusion.

                      Does this clarification help you suggest the next step we can take for verification?

                      We also refreshed the SDK on the VOXL2, but the issue persists, so we can likely rule out software as a potential root cause.

                      Looking forward to hearing from you. Please let me know if any further questions.

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                      Vinny
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                      Hi @will-huang-oksi
                      Are you willing to share some pics? Might be a cabling issue (GND loop or lack of a common GND), or some other intermittent connection causing your problems.
                      It really is hard to debug without seeing the setup.

                      Thanks!
                      Vinny

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