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Resolution problem when using VOXL2-mini USB3 to HDMI adapter

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  • J Jskim

    @Vinny

    1. That does not look like our standard MCBL-00022-2.
      A) This is the same cable as MCBL-00022-2. It is wrapped with insulating tape.

    2. Did you do some additional splicing/merging to make this connect to the HDMI adapter? Did you add the series caps needed on TX (output) for USB3 speeds?
      A) This is a standard cable purchased from MODALAI and no work was done.

    3. https://docs.modalai.com/voxl2-mini-connectors/#j3-usb-3-10-pin
      Did you remove the USB3 lines altogether? (USB2 is plenty of bandwidth for most video applications)
      When we use a USB2.0 adapter on the VOXL2-mini USB3.0 port, only 640x480@30fps is supported.
      A) We need uvc camera resolution 720p@30fps. The USB2.0 supported resolution is only 640x480@30fps.

    4. Can you also please share the specs of your HDMI adapter and HDMI camera as well? I'm curious how that is working from a hardware standpoint. You could be missing some power features here to power all these adapters correctly, making the link not work. I'd like to help double check for everyone involved.

    VOXL2 mini MOHOC HDMI camera conf.png
    1) HDMI adapter maker and model name : Anyport & AP-HDC4K
    2) HDMI camera maker and model : MOHOC &MOHOC(https://www.mohoc.com/)

    5. We have purchased and are testing an Arducam USB3.0 camera.
    (Arducam 13MP IMX258 OIS Motorized Focus USB 3.0 Camera Module)

    1. Format : YUY2
    2. Frame Rate (USB 3.0) : 1280720@60fps,19201080@40fps,20961560@30fps,38402160@20fps,4208*3120@12fps
    3. Interface : USB 3.2 Gen 1 device, backward compatible with USB 2.0 hosts
    4. UVC Compliant : No additional drivers required

    Thanks,

    VinnyV Offline
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    Vinny
    ModalAI Team
    wrote on last edited by
    #10

    Hi @Jskim
    I'd like to remind you of this post/exchange we had a few weeks ago:
    https://forum.modalai.com/post/13799
    So, I'm not sure if this is creating extra issues with your setup unless you did indeed add series caps on the TX lines from VOXL 2 Mini in the MCBL-00022-2.

    Pretty neat camera, and we want to help you succeed.
    I see they run on internal batteries, I was curious why there was no power cord to it.
    I see it comes in variations with WiFi. Wonder if maybe you can try an IP based format version instead of UVC?
    You can try our WiFI adapter with MCBL-00022-2 as a test.
    Like this, but instead of MCBL-00041, use the MCBL-00022-2 (The Alfa dongle only uses USB2).
    https://www.modalai.com/collections/accessories/products/wifi-usb-cable-add-on

    For the HDMI adapter, I cannot find enough specs in English to see which side provides power (HDMI side, or USB3 side). I would explore further options here to make sure this adapter works with other devices, since we have no experience with it. This item to me is the biggest risk item to your success.

    Hope this helps a little bit, and maybe SW team can help you with the other issues.

    Thanks!

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    • VinnyV Vinny

      Hi @Jskim
      I'd like to remind you of this post/exchange we had a few weeks ago:
      https://forum.modalai.com/post/13799
      So, I'm not sure if this is creating extra issues with your setup unless you did indeed add series caps on the TX lines from VOXL 2 Mini in the MCBL-00022-2.

      Pretty neat camera, and we want to help you succeed.
      I see they run on internal batteries, I was curious why there was no power cord to it.
      I see it comes in variations with WiFi. Wonder if maybe you can try an IP based format version instead of UVC?
      You can try our WiFI adapter with MCBL-00022-2 as a test.
      Like this, but instead of MCBL-00041, use the MCBL-00022-2 (The Alfa dongle only uses USB2).
      https://www.modalai.com/collections/accessories/products/wifi-usb-cable-add-on

      For the HDMI adapter, I cannot find enough specs in English to see which side provides power (HDMI side, or USB3 side). I would explore further options here to make sure this adapter works with other devices, since we have no experience with it. This item to me is the biggest risk item to your success.

      Hope this helps a little bit, and maybe SW team can help you with the other issues.

      Thanks!

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      Jskim
      wrote on last edited by Jskim
      #11

      @Vinny
      Thank you so much for your quick reply.

      1. The HDMI to USB dongle is powered by USB3 from the VOXL2-mini.
      2. We have no problem using the TP link wifi dongle on the USB3 port. I have already tested it.
      TP link WiFi dongle.PNG

      3. We will tell you the results of the test with the arducam USB3.0 camera.

      system configuration.png
      1) You need to check whether the problem is with the USB3.0 port or the streamer or the uvc server.???
      2) You can see the voxl2-mini test result in the image below.

      lsusb 명령어.PNG
      lsusb 명령어_01.PNG
      lsusb 명령어_02.PNG
      lsusb 명령어_03.PNG
      lsusb 명령어_04.PNG
      lsusb 명령어_05.PNG

      uvc server config.PNG
      inspect service.PNG
      inspect cam 명령어.PNG
      inspect cam 결과.PNG

      *Note: We use USB3 to USb2 conversion, 1280x720 @10fps no problem.
      USB3 to USB2 conversion 1280x720.PNG
      USB3 to USB2 conversion Portal.PNG

      1. We tested arducam directly connected to Windows PC USB3 port and there is no problem.
        윈도우 PC 결과.png

      VLC 결과_01.png
      VLC 결과_02.png

      Thanks,

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      • J Jskim

        @Vinny
        Thank you so much for your quick reply.

        1. The HDMI to USB dongle is powered by USB3 from the VOXL2-mini.
        2. We have no problem using the TP link wifi dongle on the USB3 port. I have already tested it.
        TP link WiFi dongle.PNG

        3. We will tell you the results of the test with the arducam USB3.0 camera.

        system configuration.png
        1) You need to check whether the problem is with the USB3.0 port or the streamer or the uvc server.???
        2) You can see the voxl2-mini test result in the image below.

        lsusb 명령어.PNG
        lsusb 명령어_01.PNG
        lsusb 명령어_02.PNG
        lsusb 명령어_03.PNG
        lsusb 명령어_04.PNG
        lsusb 명령어_05.PNG

        uvc server config.PNG
        inspect service.PNG
        inspect cam 명령어.PNG
        inspect cam 결과.PNG

        *Note: We use USB3 to USb2 conversion, 1280x720 @10fps no problem.
        USB3 to USB2 conversion 1280x720.PNG
        USB3 to USB2 conversion Portal.PNG

        1. We tested arducam directly connected to Windows PC USB3 port and there is no problem.
          윈도우 PC 결과.png

        VLC 결과_01.png
        VLC 결과_02.png

        Thanks,

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        Eric Katzfey
        ModalAI Team
        wrote on last edited by
        #12

        @Jskim I'm sorry but I keep reading through your messages and am finding it hard to understand what you are asking. It sounds like everything works fine up to 1280x720@10fps. But you want at least 1280x720@30fps. What happens when you change 10 to 30? Does voxl-uvc-server not run? Or does it run fine but you see no output?

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        • Eric KatzfeyE Eric Katzfey

          @Jskim I'm sorry but I keep reading through your messages and am finding it hard to understand what you are asking. It sounds like everything works fine up to 1280x720@10fps. But you want at least 1280x720@30fps. What happens when you change 10 to 30? Does voxl-uvc-server not run? Or does it run fine but you see no output?

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          Jskim
          wrote on last edited by
          #13

          @Eric-Katzfey
          Thank you for your quick reply.

          I have a problem with the VOXL2-mini USB3 port.
          When I connect a USB3 camera directly to the VOXL2-mini, the camera is recognised but no output.
          However, when we change the USB3 to USB2, the camera output is only 1280x720@10fps.

          1. Correct. we want a minimum of 1280x720@30fps.

          2. voxl-uvc-server is running. But no output is displayed.

          3. what happens when you change 10 to 30?
            A) When you change to 30, there is no output.

          Thanks,

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          • J Jskim

            @Eric-Katzfey
            Thank you for your quick reply.

            I have a problem with the VOXL2-mini USB3 port.
            When I connect a USB3 camera directly to the VOXL2-mini, the camera is recognised but no output.
            However, when we change the USB3 to USB2, the camera output is only 1280x720@10fps.

            1. Correct. we want a minimum of 1280x720@30fps.

            2. voxl-uvc-server is running. But no output is displayed.

            3. what happens when you change 10 to 30?
              A) When you change to 30, there is no output.

            Thanks,

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            Eric Katzfey
            ModalAI Team
            wrote on last edited by
            #14

            @Jskim Ah, okay, that's more clear now. Have you considered the suggestions from @Vinny ? The USB 3.0 port on VOXL2 mini requires some extra capacitance or else it won't work. This is not normally provided by any standard cable and needs to be added in separately. Also, as per the documentation https://docs.modalai.com/voxl-uvc-server/ what output do you see if you enable debug messages? (e.g. voxl-uvc-server -d)

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            • Eric KatzfeyE Eric Katzfey

              @Jskim Ah, okay, that's more clear now. Have you considered the suggestions from @Vinny ? The USB 3.0 port on VOXL2 mini requires some extra capacitance or else it won't work. This is not normally provided by any standard cable and needs to be added in separately. Also, as per the documentation https://docs.modalai.com/voxl-uvc-server/ what output do you see if you enable debug messages? (e.g. voxl-uvc-server -d)

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              Jskim
              wrote on last edited by
              #15

              @Eric-Katzfey
              Thank you very much for the quick reply.

              1. When I executed the voxl-uvc-server -d command, the screen froze.
                voxl-uvc-server -d.jpg

              Thanks,

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              • J Jskim

                @Eric-Katzfey
                Thank you very much for the quick reply.

                1. When I executed the voxl-uvc-server -d command, the screen froze.
                  voxl-uvc-server -d.jpg

                Thanks,

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                Eric Katzfey
                ModalAI Team
                wrote on last edited by
                #16

                @Jskim Have you added the required capacitors as explained by @Vinny ?

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                • Eric KatzfeyE Eric Katzfey

                  @Jskim Have you added the required capacitors as explained by @Vinny ?

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                  Jskim
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #17

                  @Eric-Katzfey

                  Sorry, please tell me again how to add capacitors.

                  Thanks,

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                  • J Jskim

                    @Eric-Katzfey

                    Sorry, please tell me again how to add capacitors.

                    Thanks,

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                    J Offline
                    Jskim
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #18

                    @Jskim
                    USB3 to USB2 dongle.png

                    We tested it using a USB30 to USB2.0 cable.

                    1. 1280x720@10fps is no problem.
                    2. 1280x720@30fps does not work.

                    Thanks

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                      We also encountered the problem of 10 FPS limit when trying to stream HD video (1280x720 at more than 10 FPS) using USB3 to HDMI adapter on VOXL2.

                      @Jskim did you manage to identify/solve the issues somehow?

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                      • M milanerd

                        We also encountered the problem of 10 FPS limit when trying to stream HD video (1280x720 at more than 10 FPS) using USB3 to HDMI adapter on VOXL2.

                        @Jskim did you manage to identify/solve the issues somehow?

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                        Moderator
                        ModalAI Team
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #20

                        @milanerd We have added a cable with built in extra capacitance https://www.modalai.com/products/mcbl-00022?variant=49030324060464

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                          @milanerd We have added a cable with built in extra capacitance https://www.modalai.com/products/mcbl-00022?variant=49030324060464

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                          milanerd
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                          @Moderator Thank you. If I understood well, the adapter with added capacitance solved the issue with HD stream at 30 FPS?

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                          • M milanerd

                            @Moderator Thank you. If I understood well, the adapter with added capacitance solved the issue with HD stream at 30 FPS?

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                            ModalAI Team
                            wrote on last edited by
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                            @milanerd The added capacitance helps VOXL 2 Mini's USB port achieve USB 3 speeds. We don't have that adapter to confirm a fix for your issue, but with the cable the link should transfer much faster

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