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  • groupoG groupo

    @tom just apt update libqmi ? Again sorry, but I am not very familiar with linux.

    Another thing, I may have deleted the contents of /usr/src/header while trying to delete that symbolic link you had me make earlier. I swore there was stuff in /header, but I dont see anything in there now. I ran rm -r /lib/modules/###/build which I thought should not touch anything past the link itself. If there is supposed to be stuff in there, can I get it back without reflashing?

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    @groupo I don't know of a way to get those files back without reflashing.

    I just checked and it doesn't seem like there's a newer version available via. apt with the repos currently on there.

    You may have to build and install it via. source

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      @groupo I don't know of a way to get those files back without reflashing.

      I just checked and it doesn't seem like there's a newer version available via. apt with the repos currently on there.

      You may have to build and install it via. source

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      @tom I was just typing a msg up to relay apt isnt showing any of them available for updating. I will try to reflash.

      I need to be able to connect to a private LTE network (MCC-MNC 001-01) which, as far as I have read, the EM9291 does not natively search for. I've read you can issue AT commands to tweak how the modem operates but am at a standstill trying to either install drivers to enumerate ttyUSB0 or update qmicli to the newest version so that I can issue AT commands that way. I think reflashing is necessary to get those files back and reestablish some ground truth with my drone. I should be able to go through those directions on my own. After that, are you able to assist me with either of the two avenues I discussed? I am grossly unfamiliar with the platform's architecture, but if I could get you on even a short call I think it would greatly accelerate this process for the two of us.

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        @tom I was just typing a msg up to relay apt isnt showing any of them available for updating. I will try to reflash.

        I need to be able to connect to a private LTE network (MCC-MNC 001-01) which, as far as I have read, the EM9291 does not natively search for. I've read you can issue AT commands to tweak how the modem operates but am at a standstill trying to either install drivers to enumerate ttyUSB0 or update qmicli to the newest version so that I can issue AT commands that way. I think reflashing is necessary to get those files back and reestablish some ground truth with my drone. I should be able to go through those directions on my own. After that, are you able to assist me with either of the two avenues I discussed? I am grossly unfamiliar with the platform's architecture, but if I could get you on even a short call I think it would greatly accelerate this process for the two of us.

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        @groupo I can't provide a ton of help as I haven't tried it myself but you should be able to build and install a newer version of libqmi by following the instructions from here:

        Building libqmi 1.30 or earlier using GNU autotools

        How to build and install the libqmi library using GNU autotools.

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        (modemmanager.org)

        In terms of which AT commands are required to send I can't really help there, it may require reading through Sierra's AT command docs

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          @groupo I can't provide a ton of help as I haven't tried it myself but you should be able to build and install a newer version of libqmi by following the instructions from here:

          Building libqmi 1.30 or earlier using GNU autotools

          How to build and install the libqmi library using GNU autotools.

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          (modemmanager.org)

          In terms of which AT commands are required to send I can't really help there, it may require reading through Sierra's AT command docs

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          @tom I am talking to a dev from Sierra Wireless who can help with the AT commands. there are some very useful forum posts there for connecting to 'test' LTE networks. I just need to send the AT commands to do so. I need your assistance in either installing that driver to enumerate the port or updating qmi. I will try to update qmi first, as that seems like the simpler approach. I need libqmi 1.34 which switched from GNU autotools to Meson. That means nothing to me, I will just follow the steps, more FYI

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            @groupo I can't provide a ton of help as I haven't tried it myself but you should be able to build and install a newer version of libqmi by following the instructions from here:

            Building libqmi 1.30 or earlier using GNU autotools

            How to build and install the libqmi library using GNU autotools.

            favicon

            (modemmanager.org)

            In terms of which AT commands are required to send I can't really help there, it may require reading through Sierra's AT command docs

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            @tom need Meson to get newest libqmi. Tried installing that but ran into more errors, I hate feeling like I am asking to be spoonfed but I really could use some guided direction here - I am extremely out of my element

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            • groupoG groupo

              @tom need Meson to get newest libqmi. Tried installing that but ran into more errors, I hate feeling like I am asking to be spoonfed but I really could use some guided direction here - I am extremely out of my element

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              @groupo You can install meson and ninja with

              sudo apt install meson ninja-build
              
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                @groupo You can install meson and ninja with

                sudo apt install meson ninja-build
                
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                @tom I did that successfully, the error came with running the third line below

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                voxl2:/$ sudo apt install meson ninja-build
                Reading package lists... Done
                Building dependency tree       
                Reading state information... Done
                ninja-build is already the newest version (1.8.2-1).
                meson is already the newest version (0.45.1-2ubuntu0.18.04.2).
                0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 37 not upgraded.
                voxl2:/$ cd libqmi
                voxl2:/libqmi(main)$ meson setup build --prefix=/usr
                The Meson build system
                Version: 0.45.1
                Source dir: /libqmi
                Build dir: /libqmi/build
                Build type: native build
                
                meson.build:223:10: ERROR: lexer
                test_env = {
                          ^
                
                A full log can be found at /libqmi/build/meson-logs/meson-log.txt
                
                
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                  @tom I did that successfully, the error came with running the third line below

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                  voxl2:/$ sudo apt install meson ninja-build
                  Reading package lists... Done
                  Building dependency tree       
                  Reading state information... Done
                  ninja-build is already the newest version (1.8.2-1).
                  meson is already the newest version (0.45.1-2ubuntu0.18.04.2).
                  0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 37 not upgraded.
                  voxl2:/$ cd libqmi
                  voxl2:/libqmi(main)$ meson setup build --prefix=/usr
                  The Meson build system
                  Version: 0.45.1
                  Source dir: /libqmi
                  Build dir: /libqmi/build
                  Build type: native build
                  
                  meson.build:223:10: ERROR: lexer
                  test_env = {
                            ^
                  
                  A full log can be found at /libqmi/build/meson-logs/meson-log.txt
                  
                  
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                  @groupo Hmm meson isn't something I'm familiar with so I don't know how to debug that.

                  Do you know if the version of libqmi has to be newer than 1.30? Otherwise you could try the older way to build using make

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                  • tomT tom

                    @groupo Hmm meson isn't something I'm familiar with so I don't know how to debug that.

                    Do you know if the version of libqmi has to be newer than 1.30? Otherwise you could try the older way to build using make

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                    @tom unfortunately, the ability to send AT commands via qmicli was introduced in 1.32. What about trying the drivers again? I goofed the symbolic linking earlier. I redid it and the make script gets farther, but still eventually fails.

                    How come PORT is initialized with certain modems in voxl-configure-modem but not with the em9291. It looks like you just set PORT to ttyUSB0 and echo to it to send AT commands. Can i not just add that into the em9291 logic flow?

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                    • groupoG groupo

                      @tom unfortunately, the ability to send AT commands via qmicli was introduced in 1.32. What about trying the drivers again? I goofed the symbolic linking earlier. I redid it and the make script gets farther, but still eventually fails.

                      How come PORT is initialized with certain modems in voxl-configure-modem but not with the em9291. It looks like you just set PORT to ttyUSB0 and echo to it to send AT commands. Can i not just add that into the em9291 logic flow?

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                      @groupo /dev/ttyUSB0 only enumerates if the driver recognizes the hardware of having said capability. In this case, the driver that controls that port doesn't recognize that modem hardware, likely the driver is from before that hardware existed.

                      In these cases we usually have to make custom tweaks to the linux kernel drivers in order to add the support for the hardware.

                      If you'd like to experiment with doing that you can, building custom kernels allows adding custom support for new or existing hardware.

                      You can read more about building a custom kernel here: https://docs.modalai.com/voxl2-kernel-build-guide/

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                      • tomT tom

                        @groupo /dev/ttyUSB0 only enumerates if the driver recognizes the hardware of having said capability. In this case, the driver that controls that port doesn't recognize that modem hardware, likely the driver is from before that hardware existed.

                        In these cases we usually have to make custom tweaks to the linux kernel drivers in order to add the support for the hardware.

                        If you'd like to experiment with doing that you can, building custom kernels allows adding custom support for new or existing hardware.

                        You can read more about building a custom kernel here: https://docs.modalai.com/voxl2-kernel-build-guide/

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                        @tom I will explore the kernel stuff.

                        Re updating qmicli, I need meson >= 0.53.0 which is not supported on drone's ubuntu version. Is upgrading to a newer ubuntu on the drone an option?

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                          @tom I will explore the kernel stuff.

                          Re updating qmicli, I need meson >= 0.53.0 which is not supported on drone's ubuntu version. Is upgrading to a newer ubuntu on the drone an option?

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                          @groupo It is not. Ubuntu 20 is on our road map but that's a while out

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                            @groupo /dev/ttyUSB0 only enumerates if the driver recognizes the hardware of having said capability. In this case, the driver that controls that port doesn't recognize that modem hardware, likely the driver is from before that hardware existed.

                            In these cases we usually have to make custom tweaks to the linux kernel drivers in order to add the support for the hardware.

                            If you'd like to experiment with doing that you can, building custom kernels allows adding custom support for new or existing hardware.

                            You can read more about building a custom kernel here: https://docs.modalai.com/voxl2-kernel-build-guide/

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                            @tom If I solely wanted to update the driver that controls that port is making a custom kernel the only way to do that? If that is the case, what is the least invasive way to do that? Where does that driver exists and what is the process for updating it? Which driver is responsible for that port? It looks like the guide shows you the things to download if you wanted to make your own kernel, but where do you change stuff to make it your own?

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                              @groupo It is not. Ubuntu 20 is on our road map but that's a while out

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                              @tom Found the drivers I believe I want to change. Do i change them inside or outside of the docker?

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                                @tom Found the drivers I believe I want to change. Do i change them inside or outside of the docker?

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                                @groupo , all the source code for the kernel will exist on your host system. When you enter the docker container, it maps your current directory into the docker container. qrb5165-sync.sh and qrb5165-patch.sh commands (executed inside docker) will download all the required sources to the shared folder and will be accessible on host system and inside the docker container.

                                You should make sure you can build the original kernel according to the standard instructions (sync, patch, build). Then make change to your driver either manually or apply your custom diff / patch and build again (do not sync or patch the whole project again).

                                Alex

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                                • Alex KushleyevA Alex Kushleyev

                                  @groupo , all the source code for the kernel will exist on your host system. When you enter the docker container, it maps your current directory into the docker container. qrb5165-sync.sh and qrb5165-patch.sh commands (executed inside docker) will download all the required sources to the shared folder and will be accessible on host system and inside the docker container.

                                  You should make sure you can build the original kernel according to the standard instructions (sync, patch, build). Then make change to your driver either manually or apply your custom diff / patch and build again (do not sync or patch the whole project again).

                                  Alex

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                                  @Alex-Kushleyev @tom

                                  Yeah I was able to sync, patch, and build successfully. When making those changes, is it done inside or outside of the docker? I can see the drivers I want to change in qrb5165-kernel-...sh, but that is outside the docker. I dont find the driver files insiede the docker.

                                  For any driver I want to edit, my understanding is that I change it in the qrb5165-kernel-...sh folder outside the docker, then I go into the docker and build. Is that correct?

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                                  • Alex KushleyevA Alex Kushleyev

                                    @groupo , all the source code for the kernel will exist on your host system. When you enter the docker container, it maps your current directory into the docker container. qrb5165-sync.sh and qrb5165-patch.sh commands (executed inside docker) will download all the required sources to the shared folder and will be accessible on host system and inside the docker container.

                                    You should make sure you can build the original kernel according to the standard instructions (sync, patch, build). Then make change to your driver either manually or apply your custom diff / patch and build again (do not sync or patch the whole project again).

                                    Alex

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                                    @Alex-Kushleyev @tom

                                    hey have made some good progress on the drivers - still curious about the docker question but because they are mounted, does it not matter which side of the docker (inside or outside) I change them?

                                    anyways other question:
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                                    I see in the repo README it discusses debug messages, and I can see debug msgs in the code for drivers like below:

                                    23f5d123-be3b-4283-8b05-3bab2a3b3276-image.png

                                    How can I print these out/where are they printed so I can read thru them?

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                                      @Alex-Kushleyev @tom

                                      hey have made some good progress on the drivers - still curious about the docker question but because they are mounted, does it not matter which side of the docker (inside or outside) I change them?

                                      anyways other question:
                                      99f21ee5-b703-4d4d-9760-b979d0fa63e6-image.png

                                      I see in the repo README it discusses debug messages, and I can see debug msgs in the code for drivers like below:

                                      23f5d123-be3b-4283-8b05-3bab2a3b3276-image.png

                                      How can I print these out/where are they printed so I can read thru them?

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                                      @groupo , it does not matter where you edit the files (inside the docker container or the host). On the host side, there will be a new folder created for the kernel source files (workspace), where you can find all the source files and build output. In the docker container, the same files will be in /home/user/build_mount, as specified here : https://gitlab.com/voxl-public/system-image-build/qrb5165-kernel-build-docker/-/blob/qrb5165-ubun1.0-14.1a/docker-run-image.sh?ref_type=heads#L9

                                      If you build the kernel in debug mode, you can use dmesg command to print out all the kernel messages. Even with non-debug kernel, there will be some essential messages from kernel there. If you are looking for a particular string, you can use grep to filter the messages:

                                      dmesg -w | grep "Num Interfaces"
                                      

                                      If the messages from your driver have some common string, you can use that string to filter the dmesg output.

                                      Alex

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                                      • Alex KushleyevA Alex Kushleyev

                                        @groupo , it does not matter where you edit the files (inside the docker container or the host). On the host side, there will be a new folder created for the kernel source files (workspace), where you can find all the source files and build output. In the docker container, the same files will be in /home/user/build_mount, as specified here : https://gitlab.com/voxl-public/system-image-build/qrb5165-kernel-build-docker/-/blob/qrb5165-ubun1.0-14.1a/docker-run-image.sh?ref_type=heads#L9

                                        If you build the kernel in debug mode, you can use dmesg command to print out all the kernel messages. Even with non-debug kernel, there will be some essential messages from kernel there. If you are looking for a particular string, you can use grep to filter the messages:

                                        dmesg -w | grep "Num Interfaces"
                                        

                                        If the messages from your driver have some common string, you can use that string to filter the dmesg output.

                                        Alex

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                                        @Alex-Kushleyev

                                        Thanks for the explanation - I am still getting the hang of Docker.

                                        I think logging was turned off in all the drivers I am curious about. I think I just turned it on.

                                        Do i need to run ./qrb-clean.sh every time before I run ./qrb-build.sh? I see you use it in the example on the documentation, but I am unclear if its necessary for what I am doing (make changes -> build -> flash -> repeat if not working)

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                                          @Alex-Kushleyev

                                          Thanks for the explanation - I am still getting the hang of Docker.

                                          I think logging was turned off in all the drivers I am curious about. I think I just turned it on.

                                          Do i need to run ./qrb-clean.sh every time before I run ./qrb-build.sh? I see you use it in the example on the documentation, but I am unclear if its necessary for what I am doing (make changes -> build -> flash -> repeat if not working)

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                                          @groupo,

                                          When in doubt, it is better to do a full clean before re-building. Especially when you are changing configuration like debug or non-debug version of the kernel.

                                          For simple changes inside your kernel module / driver, you can test by trial and error to see if you need to re-build when you make a small code change. Once you have the debug prints working, this will be easy to test.

                                          Alex

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