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Help with Voxl2 PID Tune problem

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  • bensusanaB bensusana

    @Alex-Kushleyev just noticed that the other guy that opend the issue in px4 forum using ModalAi rb5 and same version as we using .
    https://discuss.px4.io/t/weird-actuator-output-logs-problems-tuning/32839.

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    wrote on last edited by Chad Sweet
    #8

    @bensusana which version of px4 are you running? PX4 changed the px4io protocol in 1.14 and that board will no longer work correctly. You should connect your csrf receiver directly to VOXL 2 if using PX4 1.14

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    • Chad SweetC Chad Sweet

      @bensusana which version of px4 are you running? PX4 changed the px4io protocol in 1.14 and that board will no longer work correctly. You should connect your csrf receiver directly to VOXL 2 if using PX4 1.14

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      @Chad-Sweet Hi chad
      we using v1.12.31 , but thanks for the heads up , our next step was moving to 1.14 and we need that board so obviously we cant use it with this version .

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        #10

        hi @Alex-Kushleyev
        OK, we got a significant improvement but it comes with a lot of questions and other problems that came up .

        first , i took the IO board out and connected the crossfire directly to J19 as shown at picture in the previous massage.

        then i configured the receiver to work in mavlink mode and started the voxl px4 service with voxl-px4 -r

        (as i founded in other topic in the forum) .

        as a result we got pretty smooth flight and actuator output looks great :
        https://review.px4.io/plot_app?log=dd187870-0fb2-4dc9-a0f6-694c4c3bdea2

        now since we need this IO board how can we solve this problem ?

        moving to work with mavliink causes a lot of missing mavlink messages and tabs in qgc mavlink inspector, but this problem should be in a new topic (i will publish later ) .

        looking forward for any help/solution .

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        • bensusanaB bensusana

          hi @Alex-Kushleyev
          OK, we got a significant improvement but it comes with a lot of questions and other problems that came up .

          first , i took the IO board out and connected the crossfire directly to J19 as shown at picture in the previous massage.

          then i configured the receiver to work in mavlink mode and started the voxl px4 service with voxl-px4 -r

          (as i founded in other topic in the forum) .

          as a result we got pretty smooth flight and actuator output looks great :
          https://review.px4.io/plot_app?log=dd187870-0fb2-4dc9-a0f6-694c4c3bdea2

          now since we need this IO board how can we solve this problem ?

          moving to work with mavliink causes a lot of missing mavlink messages and tabs in qgc mavlink inspector, but this problem should be in a new topic (i will publish later ) .

          looking forward for any help/solution .

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          #11

          @bensusana

          Please let us test it on our end to see if we can reproduce the issue. I will ask our team to set up a quick test as soon as possible.

          Alex

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          • Alex KushleyevA Alex Kushleyev

            @bensusana

            Please let us test it on our end to see if we can reproduce the issue. I will ask our team to set up a quick test as soon as possible.

            Alex

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            #12

            @bensusana can you please diagram your desired system architecture? Why do you need the IO board?

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            • ModeratorM Moderator

              @bensusana can you please diagram your desired system architecture? Why do you need the IO board?

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              #13

              @Moderator hi
              first of all we use it to connect RC receiver and we also need the other pwm pins for servo operate .

              we tried to connect the crossfire nano directly to j19 and change the mode to mavlink (just to see how the drone perform ),

              we succeed to do that only with voxl-px4 -r command that we do every restart (im guessing there is an easy way to do it if you can guide us through )
              but that causes a lot of mavlink massages and status tabs like battery status and a bunch of other tabs in qgc mavlink inspector to disappear .

              if there is some guidelines that i missed to work properly with crossfire receiver without IO board for now ,
              that will give us a lot of space for keeping developing .

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              • bensusanaB bensusana

                @Moderator hi
                first of all we use it to connect RC receiver and we also need the other pwm pins for servo operate .

                we tried to connect the crossfire nano directly to j19 and change the mode to mavlink (just to see how the drone perform ),

                we succeed to do that only with voxl-px4 -r command that we do every restart (im guessing there is an easy way to do it if you can guide us through )
                but that causes a lot of mavlink massages and status tabs like battery status and a bunch of other tabs in qgc mavlink inspector to disappear .

                if there is some guidelines that i missed to work properly with crossfire receiver without IO board for now ,
                that will give us a lot of space for keeping developing .

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                #14

                @bensusana Can you provide some more information to help us rule out any obvious configuration issues? For example, a px4 log from journalctl -b -u voxl-px4 --no-pager on voxl2?

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                • Eric KatzfeyE Eric Katzfey

                  @bensusana Can you provide some more information to help us rule out any obvious configuration issues? For example, a px4 log from journalctl -b -u voxl-px4 --no-pager on voxl2?

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                  #15

                  @Eric-Katzfey
                  hi eric , i uploaded the log here (too many characters )
                  https://we.tl/t-36gYH3HTue
                  if you guys can support us through email it will be much faster .
                  thanks.

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                    wrote on last edited by Eric Katzfey
                    #16

                    @Eric-Katzfey I don't see anything obviously wrong in either the flight log or the startup log. The log of the input_rc topic doesn't show any obvious dropouts or other problems but it is not logged at full rate so it's possible that it didn't capture something bad.

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                    • Eric KatzfeyE Eric Katzfey

                      @Eric-Katzfey I don't see anything obviously wrong in either the flight log or the startup log. The log of the input_rc topic doesn't show any obvious dropouts or other problems but it is not logged at full rate so it's possible that it didn't capture something bad.

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                      #17

                      @Eric-Katzfey @Alex-Kushleyev @Chad-Sweet
                      hi guys,
                      we about to build 4 more drones with same setup ( 8 total) and we have to be sure about the hardware, how can you help us to work this through?
                      can one of the dev team can give us support through emails? its hard to support this with one massage a day ( we have time zone problem 😳 )

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                      • bensusanaB bensusana

                        @Eric-Katzfey @Alex-Kushleyev @Chad-Sweet
                        hi guys,
                        we about to build 4 more drones with same setup ( 8 total) and we have to be sure about the hardware, how can you help us to work this through?
                        can one of the dev team can give us support through emails? its hard to support this with one massage a day ( we have time zone problem 😳 )

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                        @bensusana Hi Ben, Eric is our head of software so you are getting the best support we can offer at this point. Do you have developers you work with who can help debug PX4?

                        We are working on a new firmware for that VOXL 2 IO board that we hope to help resolve some of your issues. We are a few weeks away though from the release.

                        For the direct CSRF connection, are you using the latest SDK or is it still the older version?

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                        • ModeratorM Moderator

                          @bensusana Hi Ben, Eric is our head of software so you are getting the best support we can offer at this point. Do you have developers you work with who can help debug PX4?

                          We are working on a new firmware for that VOXL 2 IO board that we hope to help resolve some of your issues. We are a few weeks away though from the release.

                          For the direct CSRF connection, are you using the latest SDK or is it still the older version?

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                          @Moderator Sdk 0.9.5
                          Crossfire nano rx connected to j19 ,using mavlink mode.
                          For unknown reasons in this mode I can control the drone but a lot of mavlink massages disappear, no battery status system status almost half of the tabs in mavlink inspector on qgc are gone .

                          What I’m doing wrong?
                          Can I use csrf raw on that Sdk?or should I move to v1.0?

                          should I try use spectrum receiver?

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                          • bensusanaB bensusana

                            @Moderator Sdk 0.9.5
                            Crossfire nano rx connected to j19 ,using mavlink mode.
                            For unknown reasons in this mode I can control the drone but a lot of mavlink massages disappear, no battery status system status almost half of the tabs in mavlink inspector on qgc are gone .

                            What I’m doing wrong?
                            Can I use csrf raw on that Sdk?or should I move to v1.0?

                            should I try use spectrum receiver?

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                            Eric Katzfey
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                            wrote on last edited by
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                            @bensusana Using the TBS Crossfire receiver in mavlink mode shouldn't have any affect on the mavlink messages you get at QGC. The TBS Crossfire driver runs on the DSP and communicates to the receiver using UART. It uses the Mavlink protocol over that UART. The Mavlink module is a completely separate thing that runs on the applications processor and communicates to QGC via the network. So it is unclear to me how one would influence the other in any way. You can certainly try it in CRSF mode. You can also switch to Spektrum. For full M0065 support of both RC and PWM we would recommend waiting for the upcoming 1.0.x release that supports that combination.

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                            • Eric KatzfeyE Eric Katzfey

                              @bensusana Using the TBS Crossfire receiver in mavlink mode shouldn't have any affect on the mavlink messages you get at QGC. The TBS Crossfire driver runs on the DSP and communicates to the receiver using UART. It uses the Mavlink protocol over that UART. The Mavlink module is a completely separate thing that runs on the applications processor and communicates to QGC via the network. So it is unclear to me how one would influence the other in any way. You can certainly try it in CRSF mode. You can also switch to Spektrum. For full M0065 support of both RC and PWM we would recommend waiting for the upcoming 1.0.x release that supports that combination.

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                              wrote on last edited by bensusana
                              #21

                              @Eric-Katzfey how to start the system with crsf raw mode?
                              i didnt found it on the modalAi portal .
                              for mavlink mode i tracked open topic that says use voxl-px4 -r for mavlink...
                              this link : https://docs.modalai.com/voxl2-rc-configs/#crsf leading to "page not found"

                              thanks for the support !

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                              • bensusanaB bensusana

                                @Eric-Katzfey how to start the system with crsf raw mode?
                                i didnt found it on the modalAi portal .
                                for mavlink mode i tracked open topic that says use voxl-px4 -r for mavlink...
                                this link : https://docs.modalai.com/voxl2-rc-configs/#crsf leading to "page not found"

                                thanks for the support !

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                                #22

                                @bensusana Use -c instead of -r. Baudrate will be 250000 for CRSF (It's 115200 for Mavlink mode).

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                                  hi guys ,
                                  quick update , after a lot of testing and after we take out the IO board and still got some wobbling from the drone , we re-calibrate the f55 esc we got diffrent results from the last calibration , after updated the last resullts we did a flight test and the drone fly smoothly .

                                  thanks for the support ,
                                  i hope that this topic will help others 🙂
                                  @Eric-Katzfey @Moderator @Alex-Kushleyev

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                                  • Eric KatzfeyE Eric Katzfey

                                    @bensusana Use -c instead of -r. Baudrate will be 250000 for CRSF (It's 115200 for Mavlink mode).

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                                    @Eric-Katzfey

                                    only 420000 work for me for CRSF RAW

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