Vision failure everytime during takeoff
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I think the 'auto tune' you are talking about is a PX4 feature that came out in PX4 1.13? We at Modal haven't that yet and it's not a feature in the 1.12 based voxl-px4 release at this time, and we don't have documentation calling this out to use anywhere that I'm aware of?
I personally am not great at tuning, it's a skill for sure, but when I have done it I start with very low PID values and guess and check till I get it useable and make small tweaks.
For sure, make sure you can manual flight smoothly before ever attempting throwing it into a computer vision assisted flight!
Without introducing vibrations into the system (e.g. carry vehicle by hand) do you still see this issue?
Can you paste a picture of how you are mounting the hardware?
@modaltb The autotune I am talking about is shown here.
By deafult it is enabled, even if I disable it, automatically it gets enabled after restart.
It is not at usable even in manual mode.The hardware setup is here. I am using modal ai voxl2 case only.
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@modaltb The autotune I am talking about is shown here.
By deafult it is enabled, even if I disable it, automatically it gets enabled after restart.
It is not at usable even in manual mode.The hardware setup is here. I am using modal ai voxl2 case only.
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The way I'd tackle this, and I'd be painfully slow to be honest, is reducing the PID values for roll/pitch/yaw manually, and slowly tweaking, likely taking me a day or two, until I get things usable.
You are using an S500 frame with the VOXL IO board. We have successfully flown this setup ourselves, for reference here's PID values that could be used to start off with, which is where I'd start: https://gitlab.com/voxl-public/flight-core-px4/px4-parameters/-/blob/master/platforms/v1.12/Sentinel/Sentinel_v1_param_rev_C.params#L110
Before any time of autonomous flight, I always do manual flights.
- Have you flown in manual mode yet successfully?
- If not, can you try the PID gain settings from above?
- If not, have you confirmed that the ESC ordering is OK?
- If not, have you tried calibrating your PWM ESCs? https://docs.modalai.com/voxl2-io-user-guide/#pwm-esc-calibration
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Also, any mechanical looseness will translate into undesired artifacts that may affect flight performance. If the wrong frequencies get into the system, you will see flight issues for sure... Our ME team spends considerable effort in the coupling of the systems.
In the image, I'm not totally familiar with the plastics being used for the mounting, are those custom or maybe painted?
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The way I'd tackle this, and I'd be painfully slow to be honest, is reducing the PID values for roll/pitch/yaw manually, and slowly tweaking, likely taking me a day or two, until I get things usable.
You are using an S500 frame with the VOXL IO board. We have successfully flown this setup ourselves, for reference here's PID values that could be used to start off with, which is where I'd start: https://gitlab.com/voxl-public/flight-core-px4/px4-parameters/-/blob/master/platforms/v1.12/Sentinel/Sentinel_v1_param_rev_C.params#L110
Before any time of autonomous flight, I always do manual flights.
- Have you flown in manual mode yet successfully?
- If not, can you try the PID gain settings from above?
- If not, have you confirmed that the ESC ordering is OK?
- If not, have you tried calibrating your PWM ESCs? https://docs.modalai.com/voxl2-io-user-guide/#pwm-esc-calibration
@modaltb I am not able to fly it manually. I do not think it is because of PID gains. It is the ESC that is causing the problem. How to be sure that PWM ESCs are getting calibrated with the backdoor calibration method?
The casing is printed with PLA. It is pretty strong and there is no significant vibration because of it. However, any recommendation which material should we use?
In another post https://forum.modalai.com/topic/1490/garbage-attitude-control?_=1667191852345 @Chad-Sweet asked to disable model_esc driver. What is it and how to disable it ? -
I'm actively looking at this and will report what I find, it's my top priority. I don't believe the UART esc to be causing this but regardless for this use case, we will disable it (some users had both UART esc and VOXL2IO, but we haven't fully validated that use case)
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As far as disabling the driver in the build you have:
/etc/modalai/voxl-px4.confgYou can comment out the last two lines to prevent the UART driver starting.
# ESC driver # We start this even if there is a PX4IO module. If there is # a PX4IO (M0065) module it will be plugged into the RC port # and so this driver will output commands on an empty port. #qshell modalai_esc start #qshell mixer load /dev/uart_esc quad_x.main.mixI just did a test and this made no difference in flight perf, but in the next release I will be checking for a param and only starting if the param is set:
My first flight I though I was reproducing your error, my Sentinel was flying awful and I had to put it down. I got our flight test team to make some tuning changes around the PID values for roll/pitch/yaw and we were able to fly after that.
So one data point out of this is, the default Sentinel tune is optimized for our UART ESC and doesn't work well with the VOXL IO / PWM escs out of the box likely.....
I will get these off the vehicle when I do some updates here in a bit and can share with you to see if that helps any.
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As far as disabling the driver in the build you have:
/etc/modalai/voxl-px4.confgYou can comment out the last two lines to prevent the UART driver starting.
# ESC driver # We start this even if there is a PX4IO module. If there is # a PX4IO (M0065) module it will be plugged into the RC port # and so this driver will output commands on an empty port. #qshell modalai_esc start #qshell mixer load /dev/uart_esc quad_x.main.mixI just did a test and this made no difference in flight perf, but in the next release I will be checking for a param and only starting if the param is set:
My first flight I though I was reproducing your error, my Sentinel was flying awful and I had to put it down. I got our flight test team to make some tuning changes around the PID values for roll/pitch/yaw and we were able to fly after that.
So one data point out of this is, the default Sentinel tune is optimized for our UART ESC and doesn't work well with the VOXL IO / PWM escs out of the box likely.....
I will get these off the vehicle when I do some updates here in a bit and can share with you to see if that helps any.
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My next step is to share some PX4 params (pid settings, cutoff filters) that got my sentinel stable, but I need my team to validate before sending. I’m not clear if this will solve everything but will at least be a good data point. I’m hoping to get this tested tomorrow and will share
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@Tamas-Pal-0 ...
I still have nothing to report as far as finding root cause of something, after our tune tweaks I was up and going. I am still testing though for this use case to see if there's some edge case I'm not seeing, I'm just a bit slow with this debugging.
As far as sharing my params that got me flying, I don't even know if my approach here is valid, you have different motor/prop setup, and frames aren't identical, battery type?...
My lawyer told me to tell you "not to use these since we don't have the same setup and the author/developer in the post here isn't really a pilot so...." You've been warned by the lawyer!
# Pitch PID 1 1 MC_PITCH_P 5.5 9 1 1 MC_PITCHRATE_P 0.065 9 1 1 MC_PITCHRATE_I 0.150 9 1 1 MC_PITCHRATE_D 0.002 9 1 1 MC_PITCHRATE_K 1.0 9 # Roll PID 1 1 MC_ROLL_P 5.5 9 1 1 MC_ROLLRATE_P 0.065 9 1 1 MC_ROLLRATE_I 0.150 9 1 1 MC_ROLLRATE_D 0.002 9 1 1 MC_ROLLRATE_K 1.0 9 # Yaw PID 1 1 MC_YAW_P 2.0 9 1 1 MC_YAWRATE_P 0.15 9 1 1 MC_YAWRATE_I 0.10 9 1 1 MC_YAWRATE_D 0.0 9 1 1 MC_YAWRATE_K 1.0 9 ################################################################################ # Noise management ################################################################################ 1 1 MOT_SLEW_MAX 0.0 9 1 1 IMU_DGYRO_CUTOFF 30.0 9 1 1 IMU_ACCEL_CUTOFF 30.0 9 1 1 IMU_GYRO_CUTOFF 30.0 9Checkout out noise management here... I've had some nasty flights due to cutoff frequencies.
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@Tamas-Pal-0 ...
I still have nothing to report as far as finding root cause of something, after our tune tweaks I was up and going. I am still testing though for this use case to see if there's some edge case I'm not seeing, I'm just a bit slow with this debugging.
As far as sharing my params that got me flying, I don't even know if my approach here is valid, you have different motor/prop setup, and frames aren't identical, battery type?...
My lawyer told me to tell you "not to use these since we don't have the same setup and the author/developer in the post here isn't really a pilot so...." You've been warned by the lawyer!
# Pitch PID 1 1 MC_PITCH_P 5.5 9 1 1 MC_PITCHRATE_P 0.065 9 1 1 MC_PITCHRATE_I 0.150 9 1 1 MC_PITCHRATE_D 0.002 9 1 1 MC_PITCHRATE_K 1.0 9 # Roll PID 1 1 MC_ROLL_P 5.5 9 1 1 MC_ROLLRATE_P 0.065 9 1 1 MC_ROLLRATE_I 0.150 9 1 1 MC_ROLLRATE_D 0.002 9 1 1 MC_ROLLRATE_K 1.0 9 # Yaw PID 1 1 MC_YAW_P 2.0 9 1 1 MC_YAWRATE_P 0.15 9 1 1 MC_YAWRATE_I 0.10 9 1 1 MC_YAWRATE_D 0.0 9 1 1 MC_YAWRATE_K 1.0 9 ################################################################################ # Noise management ################################################################################ 1 1 MOT_SLEW_MAX 0.0 9 1 1 IMU_DGYRO_CUTOFF 30.0 9 1 1 IMU_ACCEL_CUTOFF 30.0 9 1 1 IMU_GYRO_CUTOFF 30.0 9Checkout out noise management here... I've had some nasty flights due to cutoff frequencies.
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Any chance you could post a link to a video of a flight to help us understand the failure mode even more? Sorry to this going, but we're struggling to find a smoking gun.
@modaltb I am using your parameters here and disbaled the modalai_esc driver. The video link is here
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1cbBXsEFMLztR7F1_en4i77F1ww4LbQ1t/view?usp=sharing -
OK thanks for the data. This is where I'm at now with my VOXL2 / VOXL2 IO setup sentinel, it's not super clean yet but but flyable for sure:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1INto92k-v0I'm getting our team to do a real tune and early this week and will post info.
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OK thanks for the data. This is where I'm at now with my VOXL2 / VOXL2 IO setup sentinel, it's not super clean yet but but flyable for sure:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1INto92k-v0I'm getting our team to do a real tune and early this week and will post info.
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Hi @Tamas-Pal-0 ,
These are BLHeli 20A, should be similar/same as the ones from this kit: https://shop.holybro.com/spare-parts-s500-kit_p1251.html
Here's my setup:
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Hi @Tamas-Pal-0 ,
These are BLHeli 20A, should be similar/same as the ones from this kit: https://shop.holybro.com/spare-parts-s500-kit_p1251.html
Here's my setup:
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On my setup yes that was all I needed to do, but we are still going to do a "full proper tune" on our S500 based frame (Sentinel dev drone) and I will confirm with you that we are getting performance as expected after this and share a video. Our flight test team will be doing that this week, thanks for the patience!!!
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