SO, I used ffplay and was able to see the stream successfully. A quick google about vlc/rtsp brought up many issues in the community after some recent updates. I am not sure how I was able to do this before and cannot now, but I did find a fix for windows
In case that link is ever deleted, I will paste the instructions here
"In VLC, under the Tools menu, go to Preferences (or Ctrl+p), open the Input/Codecs tab, and at the bottom in the Network area, the selection for "live555 stream transport" should be moved from "HTTP (default)" to "RTP over RTSP (TCP)". This worked, I can now view the video stream in VLC player."
This resolves the RTSP stream for windows. Those config options are not available in the linux version of VLC but I did see some config options you can build VLC with. I did not venture too far down that path