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      rdjarvis @Alex Kushleyev
      last edited by 22 Apr 2024, 15:08

      @Alex-Kushleyev Good morning,

      Started trouble shooting this issue again with no change.

      Under 4s battery power, all motors respond well to motor test, using slider in QGC, min to full throttle in Actuator tab.

      Still no response other than "slow ramp up" when throttle is increased on RC Tx.

      RDJ

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        Alex Kushleyev ModalAI Team @rdjarvis
        last edited by Alex Kushleyev 22 Apr 2024, 15:46 22 Apr 2024, 15:42

        @rdjarvis , i wonder if you should try to load params for one of modalai standard vehicles and change the min/max rpm to match your setup (4000min, 40000 max, or you can be a bit more conservative, say 30k max for this test). Then try with manual control but with propellers OFF. The issue you are seeing is coming from Flight Controller so it should not matter of props are on or off for this test. But you should keep them off if using params from a completely different vehicle / tune. But at least you could then see if FC lets you raise the thrust normally..

        Basically, no change to esc, props off, choose our standard vehicle params for 4s and try to raise thrust, check the px4 log.

        If you see strange behavior like strong oscillations, you should stop the test.

        If the thrust control is ok, then you can compare your params more carefully with our standard params and see what causes this behavior.

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          rdjarvis @Alex Kushleyev
          last edited by 22 Apr 2024, 16:11

          @Alex-Kushleyev I am going to upload FPV_REVB. unless you recommend another.

          RDJ

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            Alex Kushleyev ModalAI Team @rdjarvis
            last edited by 22 Apr 2024, 16:21

            @rdjarvis , yes but change the vbatt since fpv revb is 6s. That is probably closest to your config

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              rdjarvis @Alex Kushleyev
              last edited by 22 Apr 2024, 16:21

              @Alex-Kushleyev

              What effect does the aO,a1, and a2 (pwm_vs_rpm curve) have on overall throttle response for FPV 4n1 ESC? in the FPV_RevB the a0 value is -161.0826?

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                rdjarvis @Alex Kushleyev
                last edited by 22 Apr 2024, 16:23

                @Alex-Kushleyev

                Also, sinusodial value is 0 in FBV_RevB, I will change this to 1.

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                  Alex Kushleyev ModalAI Team @rdjarvis
                  last edited by 22 Apr 2024, 16:23

                  @rdjarvis , please do not change ESC params that you tuned for your motors. I meant use px4 params from another vehicle.

                  The a0.,1,2 are params for feed forward term in rpm control. The esc seems to be working fine in your case (rpm tracking is good).

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                    rdjarvis @Alex Kushleyev
                    last edited by 22 Apr 2024, 16:23

                    @Alex-Kushleyev

                    copy all, will do.

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                      Alex Kushleyev ModalAI Team @rdjarvis
                      last edited by Alex Kushleyev 22 Apr 2024, 16:25 22 Apr 2024, 16:25

                      @rdjarvis , sorry for confusion, please do not change esc params but find px4 tuning params for our fpv vehicle and try to load it to your vehicle (change 6s vbatt to 4s in px4 params since fpv vehicle uses 6s).

                      Test without props because attitude control is going tonbe much different for fpv vehicles vs yours. But you should still be able yo see thrust response in plots.

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                        Alex Kushleyev ModalAI Team @Alex Kushleyev
                        last edited by 22 Apr 2024, 16:27

                        you can find our FPV params here :

                        https://gitlab.com/voxl-public/voxl-sdk/utilities/voxl-px4-params/-/blob/master/params/v1.14/platforms/FPV_RevB.params

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                          rdjarvis @Alex Kushleyev
                          last edited by 22 Apr 2024, 18:14

                          @Alex-Kushleyev

                          We kept the custom ESC config for the 2203.5, and uploaded px4 FPV_RevB_v4.

                          Motors are more responsive in all channels, Throttle channel still conducts a "ramp up", but more aggresively when RC Tx input is applied.

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                            rdjarvis @Alex Kushleyev
                            last edited by 22 Apr 2024, 18:42

                            @Alex-Kushleyev No actionable response from throttle.

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                              rdjarvis @Alex Kushleyev
                              last edited by 22 Apr 2024, 19:00

                              @Alex-Kushleyev

                              Throttle input is being "ignored" regardless of RC Channel input, same response (slow ramp up) when armed in any flight mode (Manual/Stab/Pos etc..) and throttle is increased, even when RC Channel is changed (1,2,3,4).

                              Motors respond correctly with pitch, yaw, and roll inputs.

                              PX4 FPV_RevBv4 params are uploaded, switched to 4S and put min/max RPM to 3000/40000.

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                                rdjarvis @Alex Kushleyev
                                last edited by 22 Apr 2024, 19:23

                                @Alex-Kushleyev

                                From the GCS, executed "take-off" command in "Position Mode" with props off. Motors smoothly increase. I "hand-flew" it up to 1m and UAV was adjusting for small movements correctly.

                                Executed "Land" and "hand-flew" it to the deck, landing detected and disarmed.

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                                  Alex Kushleyev ModalAI Team @rdjarvis
                                  last edited by 22 Apr 2024, 19:30

                                  @rdjarvis , interesting. Can you please share a px4 log from that position mode test?

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                                    rdjarvis @Alex Kushleyev
                                    last edited by 22 Apr 2024, 19:40

                                    @Alex-Kushleyev
                                    https://review.px4.io/plot_app?log=f154b563-aa6e-4ff8-b603-67b9b6e2e64c

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                                      Alex Kushleyev ModalAI Team @rdjarvis
                                      last edited by 22 Apr 2024, 19:51

                                      @rdjarvis , yes in this mode, the vehicle seems to be responding to thrust commands and motors are tracking rpm well (even though without props)

                                      c7f8c2c5-85b1-429d-9df6-d60bdfaf19a5-image.png

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                                        rdjarvis @Alex Kushleyev
                                        last edited by 22 Apr 2024, 20:02

                                        @Alex-Kushleyev I agree, what do you think the next troubleshooting step is for this issue?

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                                          Alex Kushleyev ModalAI Team @rdjarvis
                                          last edited by Alex Kushleyev 22 Apr 2024, 20:30 22 Apr 2024, 20:29

                                          @rdjarvis ,

                                          Also another observation.. remember in manual flight, it seemed like instead of responding to the throttle stick, the actuator outputs were going up slowly in a ramp -- i just double check that seems to be a response to small rill/pitch deviations that happened, so it seems that the thrust stick is COMPLETELY ignored, which is what you have suggested.

                                          Now, the position mode goes through the same control pipeline except the hight is controlled using a high controller, as opposed to your radio. However, the commands are still going through the mixer that converts and thrust, roll, pitch, yaw commands to motor outputs , so that seems to be working correctly.

                                          Based on that, it seems the issue is somewhere between the Actuator controls and motor outputs, which is the mixer, right? Actuator controls data shows the desired thrust (up) goes up, but motor output does not reflect this. Maybe we can look at the px4 source code for the mixer which maps the actuator controls to motor outputs.

                                          I just noticed that you have parameters CA_ROTORx_AZ (for x =0,1,2,3) set to 1, but default is -1, which would mean that you are saying that thrust from this motor goes up, not down?

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                                            rdjarvis @Alex Kushleyev
                                            last edited by 24 Apr 2024, 13:17

                                            @Alex-Kushleyev Thanks Alex, We will test it out. In the meantime my team will be sending the first FPV 4n1 ESC back, so you can investigate onsite.

                                            Thank you,
                                            RDJ

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